Why The Heck Are People Against So Called Designer Breeds?
September 17, 2009 by admin
Filed under Care & Training Q&As
Do NOT tell me it’s irresponsible, or a money-making scheme, because breeders could make a HECK OF A LOT MORE breeding so called burebreds. I find that MOST purebreds that are purchased are sick in the skull, over bred, under trained, CRAZY. But when you get a mixed breed, albeit a designer mix, morkie, cockapoo, labradoodle, or puggle, [actually the RECOGNIZED MIXED BREEDS are much LESS common than the RECOGNIZED FULL BREED, the mixed react better to training and all that. Meanwhile you dog SNOBS that poo poo the breeder of a morkie, forget about the breeder of a low grade FULL BRED DOG. Both make the pound, but guess who makes it quicker??? Not the morkie or the Scnitzie poo, you fools, the pure bred NUT.
So back off you snobs. A mutt is a mutt, but when a gal or a guy wants to PICK TWO DIFF PARENTS, like a schnauzer/ poodle , or a PUG/BEAGLE , just BACK THE EFF OFF. THe pups are already there, they already need homes, and half the joy of owning a dog is getting to pick yer own.
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“MOST purebreds that are purchased are sick in the skull, over bred, under trained, CRAZY”
True, lots of purebreds are. But it is not because they are purebred. It is because the breeders are irresponsible. There are bad lines and good lines.. Responsible breeders do health and temperament screenings, and don’t inbreed or linebreed, in order to produce even tempered, healthy dogs that fit whatever the purpose of the breed is.
“mixed react better to training and all that”
Where on earth did you get this idea? There are soo many different purebreds. Some breeds tend to be more obedient than others, and this should be taken into consideration when choosing a breed.
I love mixes, but I think that if you want one you should go to the shelter for one before going to a breeder. Same goes for purebreds, too – unless you are planning on showing conformation I think you should look into purebred rescue or shelters before going to a breeder.
I’m not to sure that people are against the dog. I think its that they are against the idea of paying $650 for a dog that doesn’t have papers. I have a dog from a pound, so it makes no difference to me. But I can see what the problem would be. Most pet stores sell the as you call it “designer breeds”. Do you even know where your buying them from? I talked to a pet store owner who got dogs from a place that would take them back after two weeks and give them different types to try to sell. WHO WOULD DO THIS? So before you jump down on people maybe you should ask try and find out how the breads even got started. How would some one be able to get some one to spend so much on a dog with out papers?
Why wouldn’t some one who had so much money to give just go to the pound. They could call there dog what ever they wanted. Its not as if any one could keep up with all the different names for the “designer breeds”.
Yikes, who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?
Listen up, the pups aren’t already there when someone CHOOSES to breed to different breeds. There are so-called designer breeds filling the shelters everywhere. You’re NOT breeding for the better of the breed nor are you looking at the big picture.
Grow up and get rid of any and all pets you may own. you don’t deserve them and they sure as hell deserve better then you.
I’m not so much against designer breeds as I am of the fact that people are trying to charge like $600 for a , not to sound harsh but MUTT. There is nothing wrong w mutts, Ive owned many & loved em all, but to pay hundres of dollars for one is nothing short of ridiculous!!! I mean then they tack on cutsie names & try to make em all offical, when they arent. They are a mixed breed, cute, loving & Im sure wonderful ..but still a mixed breed….there are no papers, offical breed standards, or anything of that nature but yet breeders of said “breeds” try to tell you they are of championship blood lines, can offer you offical papers etc etc etc…these are out n out lies!! First off just because a dogs say , mother was in fact a champion whatever in no way means any of the puppies will ever be able to be shown or registered, they cant, they are mutts. So the fact that the mother was a champion means NOTHING!! These people try to charge outrageous prices for backyard pups, ones that should be sold at reasonable everyday prices not hundresd of dollars, these people are scam artists who play on the hearts of other people and also the vanity of them…they think that because they paid big money for this dog it means something.,…..all it means is you got ripped off. I have nothing against shelter dogs, designer breeds or pure breeds for that matter its the ignorance of the people sadly in charge of the poor pups fate…..I mean seriously would you buy a pair of Nik-Addias shoes, jsut because they are a cross of Nike & Addias & someone made them in their basement & now wants you to pay $300 for them??? No you wouldnt youd say that person was out of their freakin mind to try to charge that kind of money for knock off shoes….welllll, same thing. These people in general do not take the time to properly go into the breedin g procedures, breeding dogs is expensive & very time consuming if done properly…..thats part of the reason breeders can charge so much for the dogs is that “PROPER” breeders fully health guarantee their pups, also they usually will take back any dog for any reason @ any point in the dogs life if for any reason the buyer needs to get rid of it, thier pups also come fully health checked & the pups & their parents are checked for genetic defects & probelms that each breed has …there is A LOT involved & the fact that people are jsut breeding dogs to make cutetsie wootsie other dogs withour regards to health issues & things of this nature is just ludacris.
Well excuse me I breed pedigree dogs and I love them and do not appreciate them being called sick in the skull, over bred, under trained and crazy. My dogs all compete in obedience and conformation shows.
when I decide to have a litter my potential puppy owners are screened and have a full background check to find out if I want them to own one of my babies, that owner then has the knowledge that at any time they can phone me for help and information regarding their puppy, also they know when they decide to go on holiday they can leave their baby with me.
can you say that your mongrel breeder gives the same backup care that we give NO once you hand over the overpriced amount that is the last help you get.
So as you say in your last paragraph why don’t you back off you snob and leave us pedigree owners alone.
because its not natural.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! There are also less health issues with mix breeds. Keep breeds pure is good for show or working purposes, but most NORMAL people don’t care if a great dog is a purebred or a cross!!!
Not irresponsible or a money-making scheme? What planet are you living on? Here, on earth, the BYB and puppy mills that are producing these mutts are making a killing. Why you ask? Because their “breeding stock” are low quality dogs that are probably not within AKC standards, therefore would not better their own breed and are sold as “pet” quality. So, they are cheaper than a high quality pure bred.
So, you mix two low quality dogs together, and what do you get? “Sick in the skull, over bred, under trained, CRAZY” puppies that end up in the pound or dead because of some rare genetic defect that came out because of mixing of two incompatible dogs!
You sure aren’t the brightest crayon in the box, are you?
I think it is fine and even very good to go to a shelter and rescue a mixed breed or even a purevred animal there. What is unethical is the “breeder” that purposely mix breeds and then charge outrageous amounts for the dogs. They are usually MORE than the purebreds, that is why people breed them. For no other reason than greed. I raise PUREBRED chihuahuas, and my dogs and pups are extremely healthy, very smart, well socialized, wonderful little dogs. I cannot stand to see someone take a chihuahua and mix it with a pug, a yorkie, etc. Some of these mixes look hideous. The shelters are full of all these “designer” dogs aka mutts. People get the cute puppy and when it grows to be an ugly adult, they dump it off somewhere or take to the pound, or when their “hypoallergenic Designer” breed turns out not to be what they were promised they get dumped too, If you want to blow thousands of dollars on mixed breeds, then go ahead. I wouldn’t pay thousands of dollars for one. I have more sense.
Ignorance is bliss! The problem with it is that it takes YEARS and patience and pedigree research and years of breeding to develope a breed. What you have going on today is a shitload of idiots throwing any 2 dam dogs together and calling it a breed. It’s pathetic. It’s a bunch of back yard breeders and puppy mills trying to justify their ignorance by giving their mutts a name. That you can’t see this is a problem is part of the problem!
And by the way.. the people who have developed purebred dogs and spent their lives dedicated to betterment of the breeds are totally used to hearing the same ole song and dance by less then stellar people tryng to claim that all the purebred dogs are no better or crap or whatever your ridiculous claim is.
For one thing, you need to CHILL!!
Now, for the rest. The people breeding these designer breeds are as bad as the puppy millers and the BYBs. They do it for one thing and one thing only…MONEY! They don’t care about health issues that they are propagating, just the bot om line. The people that breed to better the breed are lucky to come out even (you may not know that because all many people see is rich people breeding and showing. Believe me, they were rich in the first place.) The costs incurred in a proper breeding program are a hell of a lot more than many people know. The knowledge is also expansive. You don’t just take male Golden and put it with female Golden. You take into account genetics. Do they both have traits in their lines that could result in a full litter of dogs who are beautiful but have vicious temperaments? Is CHF, Hip/Elbow Displaysia, PRA, etc… evident in any of the ancestors?
As for purebreds vs “All Americans,” I’ve had both. I absolutely loved my mixes. I had no idea what the one I got as a puppy would look or act like as an adult. I got lucky, she was great. The rest were adults when I got them so I already knew. My pure breds…I knew how big they were going to get, what their temperaments were going to be, and what kinds of breed specific behaviors to expect. Some people like the predictability of these things when getting a pet.
There is no such thing as hybrid vigor anymore. If a dog of one breed with a genetic problem is bred to a dog of another breed with a genetic problem, you’re going to get puppies with genetic problems. Unfortunately, there have been so many dogs bred by millers and BYBs who don’t care about the health of what they’re selling, that is the general stock that produces the mixed breeds. You don’t get health-problem free dogs by breeding health-problem filled stock.
You are calling others snobs. The truth is, you are the snob. You are on a rant on a subject that you need more education on. You need to do research and look at the numbers. You need to be able to tell the difference between peoples opinions and facts.
I have nothing against mixed breeds. I do have something against people who pay hundreds of dollars for something they can get at the pound or out of the paper for less than $100 and even less than $50. I also have a problem with people who get a breed of dog because it makes them look macho or because some rich idiotic bimbo has one.
I respect the people who research breeds and know what traits they do and don’t want and then look for a pure or mixed breed that has those qualities. I also respect the people who educate themselves on how much time, energy, and money it takes to get and care for a puppy of any heritage.
Many of your facts are quite twisted, in my own opinion. I respect why you have such stances on this matter, but I’m still going to argue against it.
Responsible (I say again, responsible) pure-bred breeders rarely make more than breeds of so called ‘designer dogs’. Why? A) “Designer dogs” are the new fad. There’s an extreme demand. If you want to start talking about overbred dogs . . . B) I have yet to meet a designer dog breeder who puts their breeding stock through the correct health tests. I’ve met many, just none that do this. What does it matter to them?
Sick in the skull? I have to wonder what kind of crap shoot, puppymill purebreds from pet stores and puppy brokers you’ve met. I own all purebreds, yet none have exhibited this sickness . . this craziness you mention. I know many people with purebreds. I work with many purebreds, along with total Heinz 57 mixes and designer dogs. Yet I’ve not seen this sickness in the skull. With any of those three groups. Under-trained is not the fault of a certain dog or breed. This may be a surprise – but it’s on the owner to take responsibility for training or lack there of. I’ve seen plenty of perfectly behaved purebreds. I’ve seen horribly unruly mutts. As for overbred . . .well, I already mentioned my opinion on this stance of yours once.
I agree, they are less common. Why? They’ve only been coming out of the woodwork these past few years. These pure-breds, these established breeds have been around for decades, centuries. What does that tell you? You do the math on this one.
I’m not sure I even want to address the whole ‘pound’ thing, as I assume you mean by owner-surrend. And as a pound worker, I know for a fact that opinion is bull-****. Pounds don’t take owner-surrenders. Purebred or otherwise. (I really don’t mean offense by this, but when people use pounds and shelters as interchangable, I have a difficult time not being a smart-a** about it)
I also agree if the pups are already there, what’s done is done and the dogs need homes. But I really disagree with most of the ethics I’ve seen from such breeders. If they followed such ethic codes like responsible pure-bred breeders, I would have not a problem.
However, I’ve yet to see one. And I’m sick of seeing what becomes of dogs from breeders like this at my county pound. Designer or purebred.
the problem with these designer dogs, is that people sell them for far more than purebreeds, and that they add cute names to make them seem more rare. they are not recognized by any reputable organization.
the problem is that there are many quality mixed breed dogs at shelters. yes the purebred dog may go quicker, but if the person who wants a designer dog goes to the pound then the dog gets adopted instead of dying.
only irresponsible people would purposefully breed a mixed dog and sell it like a purebred dog. and actually most designer dogs have MORE problems than the purebreds just because they are from such low quality stock.
you, are in fact, the snob in this situation.
Mixed breeds are mixed breeds and they’ve been around for years. There are many fine mixed breed dogs and they’re the only kind of dog I have ever had.
What people are objecting to, if you read their posts carefully, is the deliberate breeding of crossbreeds, giving them a cutesy name, and announcing that they are a fabulously rare new breed of dog and charging gullible people prices that, as you said, are higher than purebreds cost.
What is worse is the deliberate breeding of two of these crossbreeds with fancy bogus “new breed” names with the intent of making tons of money off the puppies. The whole point of conscientious breeding, pedigrees, and so on is to produce healthy dogs of a predictable appearance and disposition.
Hell, I agree with you…best dogs I ever met were all mutts.
If it makes a person feels better or more important by saying that the dog they got from the local Pound is a “rescue dog”, or that the mutt they have is a “whateverpoo”,,,, no big deal.
But,,, when a person takes a low quality Chocolate Lab and breeds it to a low quality Weimaraner and then passes the puppy’s off as “Silver Labs” for $4,000 a puppy, that is the worse form of puppy mill that there is.
Thus the bad rap. Unfortunately that bad rap is deserved as often as not. Primarily because most of these “designer breeds” serve no purpose other than selling puppy’s.
Just answer this,, how many designer breeds would work from a duck blind or on a rabbit hunt?? How many of them would serve a farmers needs on a ranch???
Any dog can decorate a couch, but most designer dog can not do anything else.
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“I find that MOST purebreds that are purchased are sick in the skull, over bred, under trained” “the mixed react better to training and all that. ”
Oh really,, when was the last time you watched a Field Trial or Hunt Test???
The little “pure bred sick in the skull, over bred, under trained” Lab b*tch curled up at my feet is an All Age Qualified Master Hunter, are you really sure you would like to match her trainibility with whatever it is that you breed??
I think the biggest reason that people are against designer breeds is that when breeding is done it should only be to better the lines, and of course if you are breeding mutts you most certainly are not bettering the lines. That is the only reason I can come up with
The only answer I can come up with…is saving the life of a mutt of mixed breed who is on death row.
I guess some people think everyone should do thier part and adopt a pet who is waiting for a loving home.
There are so many dogs and cats that get killed because some people prefer to buy pure breds. How about one of each?
If you feel guilty about buying a prure bred…which is your choice, just make a donation to your local humane society and save a doggys life.
I don’t really think people are against designer breeds. There is nothing wrong with mutts. There is, however, something wrong with breeding living things for a fad craze. There are too many unwanted dogs in the world already, without thinking you need one that fits in your purse.
i like the unicorn breed.
To be honest, you are being very rude in your form of “Questioning here and you are considering very few of the issues here.
mixed breeds are often harder to train than pure. The two breeds often have split personalites and are confused..should I run off or stay with my owner?
Mixed breeds often end up with the health problem of both breeds rather than the problems of one.
Health problems like hip displaysia are passed on from the sire. Spay the males from that litter and that line stops.
Purebreed dogs who are undertrained are so because people buy them without researching the breed and understanding it’s needs.
Overbreed? Actually, the shelters are eighty percent full of mixed breed dogs. The mixed breeds are the ones people usually abandon.
What we are making here is yes indeed a tempoary fad that will die out. What will people do with those poor dogs then?
I just think it’s funny that 5 years ago, you could get a “puggle” or some kind of “doodle” at a shelter for $100, but now people pay a lot of money for these “designer” breeds.
WELL!!! You have your panties in a bunch.
I have nothing against people making money mixing breeds. Wish I had started it. I’d have a little change. There is clearly a market for this. And if someone is willing to pay 300.00 plus for a mix breed mutt. That’s there money and they can spend it any way they wish.